This issue drives me up the wall. I have gotten into so many debates with people who are dead convinced that Obama is going to personally march into their homes and pry their guns from their protesting fingers.

But, not only does he not have the authority to cancel out the Second Amendment, but I haven't heard any plans to try to banish guns. What has been discussed is more strict gun control, which is not at all the same thing. Making it harder for people with felonies to buy guns, or making it illegal to buy guns from pawn shops without a permit is not a negative change, it's a necessary one, given the amount of gun violence this country has been seeing from people who gained ownership of the weapons with recorded mental health issues or illegally.

What do you think?

Banning guns and gun control is one and the same thing. Advancement of gun control ultimately leads to the disarming of the public, and infringement on Second Amendment rights.
How about if we say the First Amendment is OK, except we're going to lay down the law about what we think is appropriate, and what you're able to say.
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was patterned after the Nazi Gun Control Laws of the 1930's.
Adolf Hitler himself said "Any conqueror who allows his subjects to be armed prepares for his own downfall by so doing."
Now, a little more factual history here.
The architect of the Gun Control Act of 1968 was then Senator Thomas Dodd, of Connecticut, father of current Senator Christopher Dodd.
Thomas Dodd served as a prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, where he supposedly obtained a copy of the Nazi Gun Control Laws of 1938.
Dodd requested The Library of Congress in July 1968 to translate a series of Nazi documents and laws, which bear a striking resemblance to the Gun Control Act of 1968.
Dodd himself was censured by the Senate for ethic violations, and following a heart attack, chose not to seek reelection.
Check it out for yourself. This is factual, not a lot of BS.

There are already effective measures in place to deny felons and the mentally ill from legally obtaining firearms. Should they choose to subvert the legal procedure and procure one from the black market, no amount of gun control will dissuade them, they have already chosen to break the law.

Where there is demand, there is money to be made and therefore a supply will always exist. Illegal narcotics is an example.

Gun control only has an effect on those willing to obey the law.

I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

[u]

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

But the guns that the young black men are useing to kill each other,are already illegal for them to possess,as is the crack that they are killing each other over!

The overwhelming majority of remaining black men killed in this country every year with firearms,are killed by LEOs or law abiding citizens exercising their right to self defense!

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

As I've said before, AS LONG AS US BLACK MAN, DON'T BREAK THE LAW we will not be killed by guns, I'm mad & ashame to admit that the number one killer of the black man is another black man !!! WHY BROTHERS, must we kill each other ????

In my hood its the white man with the gun we a scared of the most. They can kill us beacuse they gots the badge.

Proudatlast Wrote:In my hood its the white man with the gun we a scared of the most. They can kill us beacuse they gots the badge.

Where I live, the police respect us, cause we are aloud to own guns, If your not robbing bank, or brinks trunk, then the police won't mess with us, cause we have ar-15, ak-47, h & k 91, fal, so on. When you own guns the police won't be looking for trouble, if you don't look for trouble !!!

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

Proudatlast Wrote:In my hood its the white man with the gun we a scared of the most. They can kill us beacuse they gots the badge.

please ,tell me again what you are so proud of ?

oh I forgot , your have no desire to atain an education you can utilize to pull yourself up by the boot straps .

Kenyadad

Any place any time.

Proudatlast Wrote:Kenyadad

Any place any time %$&#!, and u can leave you wife and daugerts at home. I think I break off my jimmy in your ***. The only thing about me thats 15 is the size of my big black dick, %$&#! *** punk cracker
Come to my hood and ask for P-mag thats what my nigga's call me

Proudatlast, You have so much anger ??? I can't understand you won't fight in IRAQ, but your ready to kill a brother, You don't know kenyadad, you want to hurt or kill him ?? That the problems we have, it's not the guns, brother it's your temper, also we have to stop calling each other african american !!!! EVERY time you do that whitey laughs at us, If you can't respect yourself, why would anybody respect you ????

Kenyadad you are right about brotherhood and respect but we have to realise that even as blacks we have to respect others in order to recieve respect in return. the seeds you sow are what we reap in the end. first check your posts and tell me who needs to use clean language when addressing a brother. Nowonder the whites were able to colonise us and sell us off as slaves. In that case i don't see the use of having guns if brothers will shoot each other making it easy to be sold off as slaves again. But we respect each other here and obama is here to unite not to put asunder, even whites like obama and voted him into power to be the 16th president of america, they are so proud of him, did you know this?

AR-15 Wrote:

Proudatlast Wrote:Kenyadad

Any place any time %$&#!, and u can leave you wife and daugerts at home. I think I break off my jimmy in your ***. The only thing about me thats 15 is the size of my big black dick, %$&#! *** punk cracker
Come to my hood and ask for P-mag thats what my nigga's call me

Proudatlast, You have so much anger ??? I can't understand you won't fight in IRAQ, but your ready to kill a brother, You don't know kenyadad, you want to hurt or kill him ?? That the problems we have, it's not the guns, brother it's your temper, also we have to stop calling each other african american !!!! EVERY time you do that whitey laughs at us, If you can't respect yourself, why would anybody respect you ????

Has anyone else noticed that all these Pro-Murdering people here can only debate one way.

It starts with personal threats, attacks and insults.

The it evolves into random off topic remarks, demostating the loonacy.

It always ends up with racism.

They never have any good points. But rather than admit they are wrong they resort to chilidish tactics.

Gunowners are thier own worst enemy. The proof people shouldn't have guns is well documented here.
__________________

charox Wrote:Has anyone else noticed that all these Pro-Murdering people here can only debate one way.

It starts with personal threats, attacks and insults.

The it evolves into random off topic remarks, demostating the loonacy.

It always ends up with racism.

They never have any good points. But rather than admit they are wrong they resort to chilidish tactics.

Gunowners are thier own worst enemy. The proof people shouldn't have guns is well documented here.
__________________

Sorry Kenaydad about the wacked post, I was drinkin me some gin and juice to celebrate those checks weere going to get from Mr Obama and I got a little out of controll

I aint talking about murdering any one, I dont even own a gun anymore, I use to have me a Glock Forty but that dam thing went Kaboom on me. Those glocks are not as cool as they are in the movies.

. Wish the cops had not stole my Hi-point forty, damm that was one nice gun. Cops will probley use it as a throw down for some poor black man.

Im just sayin if kenyadad wants to come up here and see how real niggas live. W'll have us a good talk, no violence. I aint in to that cuase Im on parolle.

Peace out my niggas

AR-15 Wrote:

Proudatlast Wrote:Kenyadad

Any place any time %$&#!, and u can leave you wife and daugerts at home. I think I break off my jimmy in your ***. The only thing about me thats 15 is the size of my big black dick, %$&#! *** punk cracker
Come to my hood and ask for P-mag thats what my nigga's call me

Proudatlast, You have so much anger ??? I can't understand you won't fight in IRAQ, but your ready to kill a brother, You don't know kenyadad, you want to hurt or kill him ?? That the problems we have, it's not the guns, brother it's your temper, also we have to stop calling each other african american !!!! EVERY time you do that whitey laughs at us, If you can't respect yourself, why would anybody respect you ????

he wont fight anyone for our country because they shoot back ,he hides behind his gang hit wanna be buds and says hit hit %$&#!. he is no more than a punk mouth piece that is a long ways from even being able to spell man.
he has no self respect so he lacks respect for others or the ability to comprehend the meaning of the word.
we let our neighborhood streets run rampant with these wanna be's that are headed to nothing but trouble . we excuse them by saying it is his situation , his up bringing , the nature of the game.
he has no drive , no ambition and no desire to become any more than he is now , a wanna be thug with a chip on his shoulder because whitey has kept him down . whitey aint done nothing, you did. you have the same oproyunities as any other man no matter the race , it is what you want out of life but you have obviously chosen to be a gang hit wanna be.

I'm just tryin to make peace man. Wait till I get my check and come on over to the hood and will smoke a big fat one.

We have to stop this black on black crimes, Why should our children be scare to walk in their own neigborhood, and why would those gang bangers, sell their crack to other brothers & sisters, why must we fight each other & live in fear of our own people ?? I wish I can say we live in the garden of EDEN, but we don't, the only way we can protect our family & freedom is with guns !!!

and I was trying to make point as to the well being of the younger generations . it is a stereo type and many many are filling it's shoes without hesitation or even understanding what the "cause" is. one does it and it's cool , 100 do it and we have a problem. each generation learns by example and when there are no morals or standards then none are passed down.

Kenyadad Wrote:and I was trying to make point as to the well being of the younger generations . it is a stereo type and many many are filling it's shoes without hesitation or even understanding what the "cause" is. one does it and it's cool , 100 do it and we have a problem. each generation learns by example and when there are no morals or standards then none are passed down.

WORD BROTHER !!!!!!

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

Sorry but this response makes absolutely no sense.

MiamiMan Wrote:

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

By calling this response moronic would be insulting friends all over the world...


Sorry but this response makes absolutely no sense.

I think proudatlast is thinking on his own, and he has wisen up a bit, he is changing for the better, I will give him a chance, before I bad mouth him.

I won't. It's ignorance like this that has elected a Marxist for President. Sorry but I have to call them like I see them.

MiamiMan Wrote:I won't. It's ignorance like this that has elected a Marxist for President. Sorry but I have to call them like I see them.

I see change coning to proudatlast, it's not going to happen over night, but I see my brother become a more responsible man !! GIVE HIM SOME TIME ??

daviedoves Wrote:This issue drives me up the wall. I have gotten into so many debates with people who are dead convinced that Obama is going to personally march into their homes and pry their guns from their protesting fingers.

But, not only does he not have the authority to cancel out the Second Amendment, but I haven't heard any plans to try to banish guns. What has been discussed is more strict gun control, which is not at all the same thing. Making it harder for people with felonies to buy guns, or making it illegal to buy guns from pawn shops without a permit is not a negative change, it's a necessary one, given the amount of gun violence this country has been seeing from people who gained ownership of the weapons with recorded mental health issues or illegally.

What do you think?

Pawn shops are FFL dealers and must follow the laws of transfer for all guns received or sold.
You have no clue about gun laws. If you studied a little bit, you would find 10,000 gun laws already in place.

A law affects only those inclined to follow them. Criminals, by definition, do not follow laws. Felons illegally buy stolen guns. How does a law stop that which is already illegal?

Please tell us how you think even one new gun law will suddenly cause the criminal element to suddenly change their behavior.

Proudatlast Wrote:I think guns should be bannd, all they do is get young black men killed

The majority of the time they are killed by other young black men. The problem appears not to be the gun, but the behavior of the people involved.