THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES:

* Obama voted to ban hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03

* Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns
Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
Politico, 03/31/08.

* Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04

* Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent
Chicago Defender, 12/13/99

* Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05

* Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04


All of the above are just some of the reasons I will not vote for this man. I know some of you in the obama-youth movement like sources so I went ahead and put those in too. So feel free to try and tell me where Im wrong.

your not wrong, its just that Obama is right, nobody needs to own a gun. living in the inner citie i see how guns just hurt people and kill, Mr Obama needs to crackdown on guns and maybe just maybe some people who only use guns to shoot animals and deer (hunting?) could have a gun, as long as its registered and government gives the ok

Nobody needs to own a gun?

Who is talking about "needs?"

The right to won a gun is a right under the Constitution, you know, that thing that Obama thought was flawed because it never addressed the redistribution of wealth?

The right to own guns was the founding fathers' way of keeping the government honest.

i understand your point.
The thing is that the constitution isnt perfect these people owned slaves too, that shouldnt be outlawed? and i think that guvernment does need to give money to poor people because thats the only way they can ever make money is to have some to start with, and the rich people dont even know how much money they got so it wont hurt them at all

Slavery wasn't a right under the constitution. That argument is flawed. In fact the Republican party was formed over the issue of slavery as it was one of the main issues that it had formed around.

Slavery was always unconstitutional by the very fact that the Constitution details how rights are given to all men by their creator and not government.

As to you theory about giving money to the poor that was never the intention of our government. that never works. All you do is remove the incentive to go out and be independent. The idea of the American experiment was to allow citizens to be truly independent especially from the government.

what good is independence when people have to eat out of the trashcan or when parents cant get transplants because their poor?

apparently the founders didnt believe the constitution the way other ppl did because they still allowed slavery for a long time.

if we just made guns illegal we wouldnt have any shooting deaths either and people could still hunt with bows and stuff

Huh?

Are you serious or are you just writing something just to have the last word?

That makes No sense what so ever.

Even those societies without a constitution, have rampant socialism, or even kingdoms will have someone at some level who is not doing well. However this country has fat poor people. That's right. The leading cause of medical problems in this country is NOT starvation but obesity.

The founding fathers did not write anything in the constitution that allowed slavery. It was one of the reasons why the Republican party was formed so that it could be abolished. It was one of the reasons we went to Civil War.

Sorry but making guns "illegal" will do nothing but make it harder to defend yourself from the villains out there. Take a look at what happened in places that have made guns illegal. I live in Florida where not only can you have a gun but I also have a concealed weapons permit whereas I can carry my gun in most places. Our crime rate is a lot lower than most. Chicago where Obama and friends have made a concerted effort to make guns illegal has one of the highest crime rates.

The Second Amendment had nothing to do with hunting. Read it again.

well if the government made guns illegal no one would have them and there would be no deaths related to guns. Poor people cant afford healthcare because the republicans just let the private companys run wild and rip everybody off. If government created a non profit healthcare company then everyone would get what they need regardless of their amoiunt of money.

what if you werre poor and needed a transplant or new kidney, would you be saying the same thing you are now?

You know the solution?? GO GET A JOB!! If one job doesn't pay enough GET A SECOND ONE!! A great aspect of our country is that you have the freedom to excel (if you want to) if you are motivated to. Govn't handouts zap peoples motivation and creates a dependent class...just like a stray dog, if you keep feeding it it keeps coming around & has no drive to provide for itself.
Have you noticed the difference between the political left & right? The left wants to provide for you in order to keep you in your current condition whereas the right wants to provide the tools so that you can make your own way & achieve at the level of your choosing!!

Messiah Wrote:well if the government made guns illegal no one would have them and there would be no deaths related to guns. Poor people cant afford healthcare because the republicans just let the private companys run wild and rip everybody off. If government created a non profit healthcare company then everyone would get what they need regardless of their amoiunt of money.

what if you werre poor and needed a transplant or new kidney, would you be saying the same thing you are now?

No that's not true because drugs are illegal and they haven't gone anywhere. If guns were made illegal then only criminals would have them and the populous would remain defenseless. But why not look at the crime stats in places where there is no gun ownership?

Poor people get healthcare already and it has nothing to do with Republicans. Get your head out of your a$$.

Government health care would never be worth using because the government can't run anything correctly.

If I was poor and needed a kidney or liver I would wait on the same list as the rich people. It is given out by need not financial status.

If all guns were to be ban, and the second amendment was amend and got rid of, Montana would leave the Union. Montana did threaten to leave the Union if the Supreme Court went agianst the Second amendment in the D.C. vs. Heller cast.

Coca-Cola Classic Wrote:If all guns were to be ban, and the second amendment was amend and got rid of, Montana would leave the Union. Montana did threaten to leave the Union if the Supreme Court went agianst the Second amendment in the D.C. vs. Heller cast.

I think if the second amendment were to be removed form the Constitution you would see more than just Montana react. it would be cause for revolution.

i lol'd at this thread, especially at 'messiah'.

Mudbug Wrote:i lol'd at this thread, especially at 'messiah'.

Isn't he "the one?"

that remains to be seen.

Apparently you didn't see the election coverage. He is supposed to be the Most Holy One Lord Obama. Heretic! Blasphemer!

you know it's always the people that have never seen a gun that are the first to say we should just get rid of them all.

Messiah Wrote:if we just made guns illegal we wouldnt have any shooting deaths either and people could still hunt with bows and stuff

this has to be the dumbest hing ever typed. I know people with common sense than this guy. For real tho, how many "bad guys" went out and got gun permits in the first place.....oh wait none!

Haha. Yeah this guy has as much common sense as a screen door on a submarine!

I don't want to call him retarded because I would be insulting retarded people. I have to believe he is just a troll trying to get people riled up. I don't think anyone could be seriously thinking that.

I don’t think most murders are not committed by law-abiding citizens either going mad, or because a gun was handy during a moment of uncontrollable rage: suddenly "gunning down” their spouse, friend, neighbor, acquaintance, or all four.
Studies conducted at local and national level indicate the overwhelming majority of murders are committed by people with previous criminal records. Even a significant percentage of homicide victims themselves have criminal records.
Domestic homicides as well are preceding by a long history of violence. The "crime of passion" homicide is much more the exception rather than the rule.
In 2001, firearms were used in 63% of homicides, and 49% of homicides were committed with a handgun (78% of firearm homicides were committed with a handgun). Although still unacceptably high, the U.S. homicide rate reached a 30 year low of 5.6 per 100,000 in 2001.

No No No. Guns magically levitated by themselves and kill people. Haven't you been paying attention?

MiamiMan Wrote:Haha. Yeah this guy has as much common sense as a screen door on a submarine!

I don't want to call him retarded because I would be insulting retarded people. I have to believe he is just a troll trying to get people riled up. I don't think anyone could be seriously thinking that.

Well guys, everyone has a right to his opinion and that is why this is a forum, try to respect each other and show that what u r talking is from a respectable US citizen, not hurling insults to anyone because of his opinion on any matter. You would try to give your opinion or reasons instead.

Nothing that was written was insulting. I was writing that I DIDN'T want to call him retarded.

I served my country to defend the rights of freedom of speech including my very own.

Messiah Wrote:your not wrong, its just that Obama is right, nobody needs to own a gun. living in the inner citie i see how guns just hurt people and kill, Mr Obama needs to crackdown on guns and maybe just maybe some people who only use guns to shoot animals and deer (hunting?) could have a gun, as long as its registered and government gives the ok

Criminals, by way of being criminals, are going to get ahold of weapons whether they're illegal or not. Taking away weapons from citizens only serves to disarm victims.

It's the same principle that applies to drugs, or prostitution. Criminalizing a victimless action only serves to empower and expand the criminal underground.

Chaohinon Wrote:

Messiah Wrote:your not wrong, its just that Obama is right, nobody needs to own a gun. living in the inner citie i see how guns just hurt people and kill, Mr Obama needs to crackdown on guns and maybe just maybe some people who only use guns to shoot animals and deer (hunting?) could have a gun, as long as its registered and government gives the ok

Criminals, by way of being criminals, are going to get ahold of weapons whether they're illegal or not. Taking away weapons from citizens only serves to disarm victims.

It's the same principle that applies to drugs, or prostitution. Criminalizing a victimless action only serves to empower and expand the criminal underground.

Forget that argument all together and the one before it.

IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO HAVE GUNS. And by the very words of the writers of that Constitution our rights are given to us by "our creator" and NOT the government. We are born with these rights!

You can't deny this one right without getting rid of the rest of them.