Hi! I am attending the Obama rally in Green Bay, WI and was just wondering how early I should arrive to be seated close to the front. I am more then willing to camp outside for a few hours to get close .

The doors open at 9 and the event begins around noon. It's all on a first come, first serve basis and you cannot purchase tickets early.

If anyone could offer me some insight I would really appreciate it! This is the first election I can participate in and I really want to take full advantage of the situation!

As a young voter, I encourage you to take a long, hard look at each of the Presidential candidates...don't fall for the glitz & celebrity that Obama brings to the table because I can assure you there is nothing more than that when you peel back the petals. The future of our country is much too important to entrust to a group of people who could never get elected themselves because of their radical, anti-American agenda. Katie, Obama is only the face...there are some dangerous, out-there, whackos calling the shots & pulling his strings.
Consider this about Obama: from his early associations with the likes or Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers to his complete lack of experience and accomplishments and his recently discovered involvement in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac fiasco- every piece of information on the guy is bad news.
I get the fact that being young, a fresh face and eloquent speaker is appealling to a lot of people but that is precisely why he was chosen. Don't fall for the gimmickry.

Nobama, the fact that you lurk a pro obama forum is proof enough for me that you are a dimwitted boob.

If you can tell me why I should vote McCain; what he stands for, NOT what's wrong with Obama.. I will value your opinion and consider it. However, I have not been able to find a single McCain voter that has been able to do that.

I believe the Republican policies work for those who are almost unattainably wealthy, and those alone.

I'm not a McCain supporter...as we are basically a 2-party system he is the best of 2 poor choices but my real beef is with Obama- he is an America-hating, radical, racist elitist who has been able to fool approximately half of the voting public into believing that he is some sort of new kind of politician. He was a shadowy figure at the start but now every new bit of information that he get is more disturbing that the last.
This latest scandal involving the draining of funds from Fannie/Freddie is helping to bring on our economic stability. Is this what you want?
Sure he floats some pie in the sky ideas that appeal to some under achieving group plagued by class envy but there is no substance. How is he going to lower taxes on 95% of the people and even begin to pay for his proposed spending? How is raising taxes on investments going to help an economy that thrives as a result of investment? How is he going to create a single job when he proposes increasing taxes on the businesses that are responsible for employment.
I encorage you to take it all in & apply reason and common sense to the rhetoric you hear. Obama has come a long way in the last 8 years yet his entitlements are designed to keep people in their current condition, not to improve it.

"If you can tell me why I should vote McCain; what he stands for, NOT what's wrong with Obama.. I will value your opinion and consider it."

okay.

Ok- McCains best feature is that he is not Obama!!
McCain is genuine, you get what you see. I believe McCain is proud to be an American, he is against the killing of children in the womb and he understands the far reaching impact taxes have on every aspect of our society.
Have you heard this old saying:
Give a man a fish, he eats for a day (Obama)
Teach a man to fish & he eats for a lifetime (McCain)

What is McCain going to do for our country, seriously.
I'm a woman, it is not McCain's choice whether or not I carry a child, thank you for stating ONE opinion. However, I totally disagree..

You're "sayings" hold no value to me without a decent explanation which no one has offered up yet.

Be honest to yourself...if you demand Specifics from McCain, demand no less from Obama. AS I've stated as naseum, I am not a card carrying McCain supporter so I'll let someone else argue these points with you...my goal is to simply point out how dangerous Obama is.

By the way, abortion isn't a moral issue or a "choice" issue, it's an issue of murder. Words like "choice" and your word "carry" are designed to mask the real issue...are you taking a life or not? This issue of course is the one Obama answered "above my paygrade" on. I've formed an opinion, you have formed an opinion...why is he unable to? He has been on this planet longer than both of us.

Nobama2008 Wrote:Be honest to yourself...if you demand Specifics from McCain, demand no less from Obama. AS I've stated as naseum, I am not a card carrying McCain supporter so I'll let someone else argue these points with you...my goal is to simply point out how dangerous Obama is.

By the way, abortion isn't a moral issue or a "choice" issue, it's an issue of murder. Words like "choice" and your word "carry" are designed to mask the real issue...are you taking a life or not? This issue of course is the one Obama answered "above my paygrade" on. I've formed an opinion, you have formed an opinion...why is he unable to? He has been on this planet longer than both of us.

specifics;
Wealthy is considered $400,000+ by Obama.... $5 MILLION+ by McCain. An unheard of amount by anyone I have ever known and will ever know personally.
Obama's tax cuts benefit 95% of working class America.
Obama believes in a woman's right to choose. I understand that it is an issue concerning life, but is it a life well lived if the child is born because of rape or incest? He understands that it is nobody's place to say whether or not a woman has a child, but her own.
Obama will offer $4,000 a year to students who volunteer 100 or more hours. Being a college student, I greatly appreciate this.
Obama will provide healthcare to anyone who needs it. I needed xrays just a few months ago and had to pay for them out of pocket, the cost is so extensive. My family needs this change.

How in the hell is this man dangerous?

katielynn Wrote:specifics;
Wealthy is considered $400,000+ by Obama.... $5 MILLION+ by McCain. An unheard of amount by anyone I have ever known and will ever know personally. **The McCain quote is taken out of context- his real statement was in regard to an exact dollar figure being arbitrary in determining a persons wealth- he said no one would argue $5m is wealthy but the exact number is mere speculation**Obama's tax cuts benefit 95% of working class America. **This is where you need to use common sense. Do you think he can reduce taxes and still deliver on his $1.3 TRILLION in promised new spending, entitlements and bureaucracy??**Obama believes in a woman's right to choose. I understand that it is an issue concerning life, but is it a life well lived if the child is born because of rape or incest? He understands that it is nobody's place to say whether or not a woman has a child, but her own. **At what point does someone lose the right to make a life/death decision on the life of an innocent child? Does the "right to choose" stop at 9 months? 3 years? Don't be distracted by the rape/incest argument. This is only made to garner sympathy for the abortionists. In reality over 99.8% of the abortions are for birth control & nothing more**
Obama will offer $4,000 a year to students who volunteer 100 or more hours. Being a college student, I greatly appreciate this. **Once again, where is the money coming from? The taxpayers? Colleges & universities are the most profitable enterprise on the planet..why hasn't he asked them to participate?**
Obama will provide healthcare to anyone who needs it. I needed xrays just a few months ago and had to pay for them out of pocket, the cost is so extensive. My family needs this change. **Insurance is cheap & plentiful for the young..I bought a policy while I was in school, why don't you? Why should your medical treatment be a drain on US taxpayers? You don't ask for your food bill, rent, etc to be paid for you do you?**
How in the hell is this man dangerous? **He doesn't understand that, given the proper policies, everyone can prosper. His "Zero Sum Gain' philosophy that the only way to provide for one is to take from another is certainly not one of the principles this country was founded on. It didn't work in the Soviet Union and it's not working in Cuba, China or North Korea**

katielynn Wrote:[quote=Nobama2008]
Be honest to yourself...if you demand Specifics from McCain, demand no less from Obama. AS I've stated as naseum, I am not a card carrying McCain supporter so I'll let someone else argue these points with you...my goal is to simply point out how dangerous Obama is.

By the way, abortion isn't a moral issue or a "choice" issue, it's an issue of murder. Words like "choice" and your word "carry" are designed to mask the real issue...are you taking a life or not? This issue of course is the one Obama answered "above my paygrade" on. I've formed an opinion, you have formed an opinion...why is he unable to? He has been on this planet longer than both of us.

Quote:specifics;
Wealthy is considered $400,000+ by Obama.... $5 MILLION+ by McCain. An unheard of amount by anyone I have ever known and will ever know personally.

What flavor IS the Kool-Aid at the Obama camp? Amazing that when McCain made that JOKE that he predicted liberals like yourself would repeat it as truth. Here is the ACTUAL QUOTE:

WARREN: No, no, actually, this is great because I may actually get to ask you a couple of extra questions, which are good. They're the "lightning bonus round" actually. (LAUGHTER)

OK, on taxes, define "rich." Everybody talks about taxing the rich, but not the poor, the middle class. At what point -- give me a number, give me a specific number -- where do you move from middle class to rich?

Is it $100,000, is it $50,000, is it $200,000? How does anybody know if we don't know what the standards are?

MCCAIN: Some of the richest people I've ever known in my life are the most unhappy. I think that rich should be defined by a home, a good job, an education and the ability to hand to our children a more prosperous and safer world than the one that we inherited.

I don't want to take any money from the rich -- I want everybody to get rich.

(LAUGHTER)

I don't believe in class warfare or re-distribution of the wealth. But I can tell you, for example, there are small businessmen and women who are working 16 hours a day, seven days a week that some people would classify as -- quote -- "rich," my friends, and want to raise their taxes and want to raise their payroll taxes.

Let's have -- keep taxes low. Let's give every family in America a $7,000 tax credit for every child they have. Let's give them a $5,000 refundable tax credit to go out and get the health insurance of their choice. Let's not have the government take over the health care system in America.

(APPLAUSE)

So, I think if you are just talking about income, how about $5 million?

(LAUGHTER)

But seriously, I don't think you can -- I don't think seriously that -- the point is that I'm trying to make here, seriously -- and I'm sure that comment will be distorted -- but the point is that we want to keep people's taxes low and increase revenues.

Quote:Obama's tax cuts benefit 95% of working class America.

How in the world can that even be possible when 40% of Americans already pay NO taxes and there will be a need to INCREASE spending in order to provide all of the "hope" Obama wants to provide?

Quote:Obama believes in a woman's right to choose. I understand that it is an issue concerning life, but is it a life well lived if the child is born because of rape or incest? He understands that it is nobody's place to say whether or not a woman has a child, but her own.

So when does the baby get to choose? I am sure you are glad your mother didn't exercise that "choice." This is NOT a religious stance but a stance on respecting life, ALL life. The problem is liberals are using the argument that the Iraq war is bad because of all of the innocent lives killed in Iraq but have NO problem terminating a baby. Can you say "duplicity?"

Quote:Obama will offer $4,000 a year to students who volunteer 100 or more hours. Being a college student, I greatly appreciate this.

Which explains why you think the way you do. You show a sever lack of understanding how the real world works. Again how can you offer $4000 to every college student who volunteers AND cut taxes on 95% of Americans. You are not an economics major are you?

Quote:Obama will provide healthcare to anyone who needs it. I needed xrays just a few months ago and had to pay for them out of pocket, the cost is so extensive. My family needs this change.

How in the world is Obama going to provide free healthcare for EVERYONE, cut taxes on 95% of Americans, give $4000 to every college student who volunteers? the math doesn't add up. Tell me, college student who this DOESN'T smell of marxism or even socialism?

Quote:How in the hell is this man dangerous?

I imagine that at the end of four years of an Obama presidency we will here a speech that sounds like the following...

We have spoken of economic development, and in these past few years our country has made considerable social progress. It has virtually eliminated illiteracy. It has given every youth the opportunity to study and every youth and citizen the opportunity to work. It has given them the opportunity to engage in sports; it has given them social opportunities; it has given them the opportunity to have a house and health care.

The problem is...Fidel Castro said it first. Obama sounds very, very similar to Fidel Castro with his rhetoric. Socialism has never thrived anywhere.

katielynn Wrote:

Nobama2008 Wrote:Be honest to yourself...if you demand Specifics from McCain, demand no less from Obama. AS I've stated as naseum, I am not a card carrying McCain supporter so I'll let someone else argue these points with you...my goal is to simply point out how dangerous Obama is.

By the way, abortion isn't a moral issue or a "choice" issue, it's an issue of murder. Words like "choice" and your word "carry" are designed to mask the real issue...are you taking a life or not? This issue of course is the one Obama answered "above my paygrade" on. I've formed an opinion, you have formed an opinion...why is he unable to? He has been on this planet longer than both of us.

specifics;
Wealthy is considered $400,000+ by Obama.... $5 MILLION+ by McCain. An unheard of amount by anyone I have ever known and will ever know personally.
Obama's tax cuts benefit 95% of working class America.
Obama believes in a woman's right to choose. I understand that it is an issue concerning life, but is it a life well lived if the child is born because of rape or incest? He understands that it is nobody's place to say whether or not a woman has a child, but her own.
Obama will offer $4,000 a year to students who volunteer 100 or more hours. Being a college student, I greatly appreciate this.
Obama will provide healthcare to anyone who needs it. I needed xrays just a few months ago and had to pay for them out of pocket, the cost is so extensive. My family needs this change.

How in the hell is this man dangerous?

$400,000 = upper middle class yearly income
$5,000,000 = entry level yearly income for "rich"

katielynn Wrote:What is McCain going to do for our country, seriously.
I'm a woman, it is not McCain's choice whether or not I carry a child, thank you for stating ONE opinion. However, I totally disagree..

You're "sayings" hold no value to me without a decent explanation which no one has offered up yet.

You carrying a child is God's choice, not yours.