This will be my first year i get to vote, and i have to say i want to vote obama. i want him to win, i like his ideas, i like his personality, i get crap from all of my peers particularly a few of my clsoe friends who have nearly the exact opposite political views as me. I want change, but lately it seems liek the other party has more fire going for them them the democrats, i want us to win. i feel like mccain would be more of the same and i disagree with palin's extreme pro life views. i feel like maybe weve been slacking off and maybe we should get out there and fire it up a bit. of course i could just be missing out on all the stuff that is going on and i dont ge to see it. if anyone ahs any information on and party events in ohio could they fill me in lol

People are starting to wake up to the fact that Obama is merely an actor cast to play a role. George Soros, Ted Kennedy & the Moveon.org liberals are calling ALL the shots here. This is why Obama, when asked about core beliefs & values, can not give a coherent response. This is also why the campaign is so quick to "adjust" policy and make so many promises- they are testing the water to see what plays.
Common sense & rational thinking are their enemies (thus the fer of Sarah Palin). The campaign preys on people in the lower socio-economic tiers that are prone to accept the message of a "free ride" at the expense of the well off without question.

Nobama2008 Wrote:People are starting to wake up to the fact that Obama is merely an actor cast to play a role. George Soros, Ted Kennedy & the Moveon.org liberals are calling ALL the shots here. This is why Obama, when asked about core beliefs & values, can not give a coherent response. This is also why the campaign is so quick to "adjust" policy and make so many promises- they are testing the water to see what plays.
Common sense & rational thinking are their enemies (thus the fer of Sarah Palin). The campaign preys on people in the lower socio-economic tiers that are prone to accept the message of a "free ride" at the expense of the well off without question.

Does the phrase "broken record" mean anything to you?

Sarah Palin has common sense and is a rational thinker? How much common sense and rational thought does it take to badger your ex-brother-in=laws boss to fire him when you're under a court order to stop harassing him? How much common sense does it take to repeat the "against the bridge to nowhere" lie when you know full well the truth has already been made public?

And what's this nonsense about Obama not being able to give a coherent response about his core beliefs and values? When did that happen, and when did he "adjust" his policies?

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you're still spreading rumors and gossip, not making a real argument.

You know everything I have stated is true & these issues have been raised many times through out the campaign. You are guilty of everthing this sham of a campaign is guilty of- here is an obviously new voter, ignorant of the real issues but caught up in the glitz & celebrity of the campaign and you are trying to deny these key shortcomings of your candidate. Are you doing it with a straight face?
Gee, it's almost like a cult! "Obama loves you and is looking out for you" "Do not question Obama, for he is the chosen one". I've said it before & I'll say it again- Common sense & reasoning are the enemies of this Obama production.

Nobama2008 Wrote:You know everything I have stated is true & these issues have been raised many times through out the campaign. You are guilty of everthing this sham of a campaign is guilty of- here is an obviously new voter, ignorant of the real issues but caught up in the glitz & celebrity of the campaign and you are trying to deny these key shortcomings of your candidate. Are you doing it with a straight face?
Gee, it's almost like a cult! "Obama loves you and is looking out for you" "Do not question Obama, for he is the chosen one". I've said it before & I'll say it again- Common sense & reasoning are the enemies of this Obama production.

When have they been proven? Time and again you've made wild accusations, even at times stating that what you were referring to were rumors. Time and again, I've done the research and posted citations and links to show that your assumptions were incorrect. All you're doing now is making ridiculous accusations and when you're confronted to back up your argument you resort to the "everybody knows it's true" argument (which pretty much everybody knows it's NOT true) and wild generalizations.

Common sense the enemy of the Obama campaign? Is it common sense to continue the failed policies of the out going administration? I don't think so.

Common Sense?
The toughest of our economic times have occured since the liberals- Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, Frank, Schumer, etc assumed control of Congress.
The Obama campaign's energy policy DOES NOT address the here & now.
The Obama campaign's military policy casts our military as the "bad guys" and doesn't include ANY input from the leaders on the ground.
The Obama campaign's socialist agenda is designed to create a dependent class...his subsidy promises are no more than an attempt to buy votes.
The Obama campaign, if all the promises are kept, will add $1.3 TRILLION in entitlement spending and layers upon layers of bureaucracy to handle insurance programs, extra taxation laws, increased govn't regulation on the nation's employers, etc.
Obama has advocated the Nationalizing of legitimate US business as well as the confiscation of their profits.
Obama wants to raise taxes on businesses, regardless of size thus rendering them more uncompetitive and more prone to reducing jobs or moving overseas.
Obama advocates a redistribution of wealth.

Like I said, the Obama campaign is scared to death that the people will actually sit down & analyze what is being said by their candidate.
Common sense & reason are Obama's biggest enemies!!!!

Oh yeah, I never got your thoughts on Obama's "above my paygrade" or "Well, what can I say?" comments.

Nobama2008 Wrote:Common Sense?
The toughest of our economic times have occured since the liberals- Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, Frank, Schumer, etc assumed control of Congress.
The Obama campaign's energy policy DOES NOT address the here & now.
The Obama campaign's military policy casts our military as the "bad guys" and doesn't include ANY input from the leaders on the ground.
The Obama campaign's socialist agenda is designed to create a dependent class...his subsidy promises are no more than an attempt to buy votes.
The Obama campaign, if all the promises are kept, will add $1.3 TRILLION in entitlement spending and layers upon layers of bureaucracy to handle insurance programs, extra taxation laws, increased govn't regulation on the nation's employers, etc.
Obama has advocated the Nationalizing of legitimate US business as well as the confiscation of their profits.
Obama wants to raise taxes on businesses, regardless of size thus rendering them more uncompetitive and more prone to reducing jobs or moving overseas.
Obama advocates a redistribution of wealth.

Like I said, the Obama campaign is scared to death that the people will actually sit down & analyze what is being said by their candidate.
Common sense & reason are Obama's biggest enemies!!!!

Again you bluster on spewing McCain's rumors and lies, without providing a single shred of evidence to prove what you're saying. The general public is tired of this. Go away until you can back up at least one of your points with fact.

Denying facts over & over sure won't make them go away!! Like I have said before, common sense & reason are Obama's enemies.

Nobama2008 Wrote:Denying facts over & over sure won't make them go away!! Like I have said before, common sense & reason are Obama's enemies.

I'm glad you agree denying facts won't make them go away. So, when are you going to stop doing it?

Okay, on to a few things I didn't have time for before:

The rise in gas prices after Hurricane Ike shows why more drilling won't solve anything. In order to produce more gas, we would have to have the capacity to create more gas, if that were possible, other oil refineries would have increased production after the ones in Texas had to be shut down. There is no instant fix for our energy problems, and anyone who tells you so is flat out lying. Keep in mind that any new drilling would not produce anything for ten years, and the resources put into that project could produce vehicles that use new energy sources in less time.

Obama has never cast our military as the "bad guys", and I will again ask you for sources and/or citations showing that he did. While you claim he doesn't include input from the leaders on the ground, I think you have to agree that the current decisions being made by leaders on the ground (drawing down troops in Iraq next year and shifting some to Afghanistan) are the same things Obama has been advocating. Besides which, continuing the war in Iraq keeps us from being able to go after the real terrorist threat in Afghanistan. Going after Iraq after 9/11 is the equivalent of someone going after the guy on the grassy knoll instead of Oswald when Kennedy was assassinated. It's an interesting story, but just doesn't get the right guy.

Socialist agenda? What socialist agenda? Please, explain to me what you mean by that, because I can't find anything socialist in what Obama's proposing.

Where did you get the $1.3 trillion figure? How much will McCain's policies increase spending?

Are you at all familiar with economics? The major theory under which the US economy operates is Keynesian Economics, which states that in a time of severe economic downturn, the government should lower taxes (which Obama is proposing to do for 95% of the populace) and increase spending. You may not like it, but it was the New Deal that put this country back on the right economic path after the great depression.

Now, go out, check some facts, and learn some history, then come back and we'll talk.

RevCole Wrote:[quote=Nobama2008]

Are you at all familiar with economics? The major theory under which the US economy operates is Keynesian Economics, which states that in a time of severe economic downturn, the government should lower taxes (which Obama is proposing to do for 95% of the populace) and increase spending. You may not like it, but it was the New Deal that put this country back on the right economic path after the great depression.

Now, go out, check some facts, and learn some history, then come back and we'll talk.

We'll you should really check your facts too. Yes Obama said he'd lower taxes for everyone under the $250,000 mark. Now how do you think that the small business owner that has a gross income/assets of over $250,000 but only a take home of about $35,000-$40,000 like most mom and pop shops do. Is it fair that they get taxed too, no it isn't. You guys spout off how he'll lower taxes for 95% of America but in the REAL world it doesnt work like that. These are the people that need the tax breaks cause these are the people that have more invested than some high school drop out who still lives at his moms house.

But really we're talking about a guy who should in all reality be a cult leader, he doesn't ever say a damn thing about how he will do any of the things he promised.
Now maybe you like to gamble on your future but I don't.

Okay Rev, a little common sense (don't be scared)...raise taxes on the one's responsible for creating jobs and producing goods? The people whose investment money is needed for growth & expansion? What do you think is going to happen?
Let me speak slowly here so you can keep up: Tax the employers to the degree that Obama proposes and prices on everything will go up & jobs will be cut. That's best case. Worst case, more & more employers move out of the country. Tax the investors more & they invest less because at some point the risk is greater than the return. What happens when investment money dries up? Yep, companies go broke. Who benefits? Face it, Obama's (or whoever is really calling the shots) oppressive tax proposal will hamper business, run more employers out of the country, cost jobs & increase prices on the goods we need.

Anti-troop comments? How about accusing our troops of doing nothing more than "air raiding villages & killing civilians"? His words!! What about jumping on the Murtha bandwagon of condemning our troops who were accused of crimes? The same troops that were found innocent of the charges. Never heard an apology or retraction from Obama on that one. Maybe you think this isn't being Un-American but I sure do.

Socialism? "Socialized medicine" "Nationalizing" legitimate US enterprise? His words again.

Energy? Prices spikes obviously were blamed on a temporary disruption in the delivery lines but seem to be edging down again so I don't know what your point is there. As far as Obama, he is relying on techonology that isn't practical as we sit here today...hopefully in the future but not right now. The ONLY statement he has made concerning the current crisis is the one about air pressure in tires. Well that doesn't address a $4/gal price does it?

The war? Sure hindsight is 20/20, Obama lives off of it.

The $1.3 number? It was floated at one of the Democrat debates & Obama did not dispute the figure!!!

I'll ask you once again, do you truly believe Obama can lower taxes on 95% of the people & deliver on all of his campaign promises?

Rev Cole, Obama's ideas and proposals border on Marxism.

RevCole Wrote:

Nobama2008 Wrote:People are starting to wake up to the fact that Obama is merely an actor cast to play a role. George Soros, Ted Kennedy & the Moveon.org liberals are calling ALL the shots here. This is why Obama, when asked about core beliefs & values, can not give a coherent response. This is also why the campaign is so quick to "adjust" policy and make so many promises- they are testing the water to see what plays.
Common sense & rational thinking are their enemies (thus the fer of Sarah Palin). The campaign preys on people in the lower socio-economic tiers that are prone to accept the message of a "free ride" at the expense of the well off without question.

Does the phrase "broken record" mean anything to you?

Sarah Palin has common sense and is a rational thinker? How much common sense and rational thought does it take to badger your ex-brother-in=laws boss to fire him when you're under a court order to stop harassing him? How much common sense does it take to repeat the "against the bridge to nowhere" lie when you know full well the truth has already been made public?

And what's this nonsense about Obama not being able to give a coherent response about his core beliefs and values? When did that happen, and when did he "adjust" his policies?

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you're still spreading rumors and gossip, not making a real argument.

This coming from a gy who claims that most of the things said about Obama are rumor? Palin has not only welcomed the investigation but she has made every attempt to clear any obstacles that would prevent the investigation from going through.

Obama has "adjusted" his policies on drilling for oil, wiretapping, guns, and just recently about spending.

What flavor IS the Kool-Aid?

Well now what do you have to say, Obama is President and that is final.

bnc242 Wrote:This will be my first year i get to vote, and i have to say i want to vote obama. i want him to win, i like his ideas, i like his personality, i get crap from all of my peers particularly a few of my clsoe friends who have nearly the exact opposite political views as me. I want change, but lately it seems liek the other party has more fire going for them them the democrats, i want us to win. i feel like mccain would be more of the same and i disagree with palin's extreme pro life views. i feel like maybe weve been slacking off and maybe we should get out there and fire it up a bit. of course i could just be missing out on all the stuff that is going on and i dont ge to see it. if anyone ahs any information on and party events in ohio could they fill me in lol

You will find, as time passes, the American political process is very flawed. Sometimes you will be forced to vote for a candidate you do not like. You simply make a choice for the candidate that will not mess things up as bad as the other.

Don't Tread On Me Wrote:

bnc242 Wrote:This will be my first year i get to vote, and i have to say i want to vote obama. i want him to win, i like his ideas, i like his personality, i get crap from all of my peers particularly a few of my clsoe friends who have nearly the exact opposite political views as me. I want change, but lately it seems liek the other party has more fire going for them them the democrats, i want us to win. i feel like mccain would be more of the same and i disagree with palin's extreme pro life views. i feel like maybe weve been slacking off and maybe we should get out there and fire it up a bit. of course i could just be missing out on all the stuff that is going on and i dont ge to see it. if anyone ahs any information on and party events in ohio could they fill me in lol

You will find, as time passes, the American political process is very flawed. Sometimes you will be forced to vote for a candidate you do not like. You simply make a choice for the candidate that will not mess things up as bad as the other.

You are right. No man is perfect, we are all liable to making mistakes. Even the wife you marry / married won't have all the qualities you want in her. Just take the better of the two and try never to regret your choice. Obama is a good man but i admit he has his shortcomings also.